Muslim youth shot for having a beard

[killa]

We've all heard about it, although I don't see it as that serious, I guess we all have to because the guys in question live on an estate of 'peaceful' Muslims.

I want to take their side, I really do, in the interview with the press they did look miserable whilst explaining how cops kicked their door down and just capped their brother in the shoulder, but I find this so hard to believe that they just stormed in and gunned the lad down for no reason.

Someone told intelligence that these homeowners have the capability of producing some sort of weapon, and that they are practising anti western shenanigans.
I’m under no illusions about people doing the Islam thing being peaceful people, judging by what I’ve seen in Britain in the last few years, so if you are suspicious, expect a knock at the door.

Police in the past have made mistakes in Britain, it's not news to us......

So a lad is shot, from their accounts they were coming down the stairs together and the police opened fire
Do they think we're that stupid?
Sooner or later we will find out who is up to anti western movements in areas like these, whether they are making bombs or just spreading hate amongst these closely knit communities.

The spokesman for the Islamic Human Rights Commission chairman Massoud Shajareh said:
"Either they were shot because they were Muslim or perceived to be Muslim"

Sorry WTF?

No, the police didn’t open fire because they saw beards and the Koran, surely?

For me, if you see around 250 officers outside your gaff, it should make you think about either coming out with your arms behind your head, or perhaps making some kind of communication with them, explaining that you want to come to some sort of agreement.
If you’re not guilty of anything, it could be all over in a few hours.
It seems they chose to run down the stairs at the moment the police broke the door down, so if anyone’s a few sandwiches short of a picnic, it’s them.

More interesting for me is that if you suffer a minor flesh wound as this lad did, expect to be able to claim up to £500,000 in damages and that doesn’t include the £100,000 for the damage to the house, yes, doors are expensive.
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Had they seen the police outside?
I don't believe police generally advertise their presence in such cases.

Were it me and I heard some trying to kick my door in, especially if I lived on a council estate, I'd probably grab the nearest big stick I could and run down the stairs, especially if I was half asleep at the time.

[Keir]

well the police were never going to win were they....
If they left the house alone they would be critisied for not acting on the information they were given but now they have raided it they are critisied for that too.
Im sure they didnt just randomly raid the house there must have been resons behind it that you and I will never find out about.

[killa]

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[Bendy]

[killa]

[Bendy]

Cute?

I thought it was extremely forgiving of them, if it turns out to be the case.

[killa]

[killa]

[Bendy]

I'm aware that it was aimed at me, I'm questioning what you meant by it.

[innominate]

The Police have to try and do their job by acting on intelligence.


They got it wrong, the brothers deserve apologies and some compo.
(If they don't persue the Compo then they are better people than me)



My problem with the police in this case is the trigger happiness again.

Fair enough you can make a mistake & raid the wrong place, but stop randomly shooting innocents. That is unforgivable.
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[byke95]

I think it's quite easy for 250 police to raid house in the early hours without the occupants knowing (surly it's one of the aims) and, as G said, if someone came bursting through my front door that last thing I would do is be immediately passive to their presence.

However, before judgement can be passed on the police we need to have a look at what is considered 'intelligence'. If it is the case that police acted on information which ended up in an innocent person's home being invaded and a person being shot, then something is definitely wrong in the 'intelligence system' and those people should be compensated accordingly (and to repeat Bendy: it would be a generous act for them not to do so, their lives will be changed from now on).

I think the police merely reflect the social construct that has been created by the media and, in turn, the Great British public: we are scared of what we do not understand: 'Muslims', 'The Koran' and more specifically this example are things most know very little about but still like to have quite strong opinions.

There are over a billion muslims world wide (something like 1 in 5 of us). I do not feel threatened by this, I have muslim friends and will continue to do so. I do not feel threatened by their religion of their way of life (especially compared to fundamental Christians).

[killa]

There are many many reasons he got shot I think, the intelligence is the group to be blamed, also the ‘human source’ they took the information from.

I think that hate, and the protests won’t be aimed at the real cause of this confusion though.

The paranoia is apparent, and ever increasing, I think the Muslim spokesperson along with the communities should do their very best now in the fight against suspicious muslims in the UK.
I think in these communities they all know who is spreading the hate, before any more mistakes happen, the finger should be pointed and the real cause for concern dealt with.

Where are their parents in all this, I haven’t seen them speak, I think you can tell a lot more about the situation in hand when you hear from the parents. An Islamic, peaceful person by all accounts does not ‘need’ 500K, but I know they’ll make an allowance this time. Lol
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It would be nice if the people spreading 'hate' in both Muslim and Christian communities were osteracised, sadly I doubt that is going to happen in either side.

[dainesefreak]

One thing that I don't understand about the shooting is, I thought the policy was now to shoot the head of the target for an instant kill. Thought they were suppose to drop the target on the spot in case of suicide bombers and that they did not need to see a suicide belt to do it. So what I don't understand is, if the armed officer loosed off a shot following guidelines, why is the bloke not dead? Can't believe it was a missed shot, close range and trained officer, so why the shoulder? Wouldn't have stopped him pressing a button. Perhaps it's changed since the tube shooting?!

[killa]

An ex police arms bloke said on the news last night that they would gone for a shot to 'stop' the subject.
The chest is the area to put someone down, guess they missed and got the shoulder.

It was also going into someones home, so the suicide bomber senario could have been overlooked.
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[killa]

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Ah, sorry, I thought you meant people spreading hate by more subtle methods within their own societies, rather than openly protesting.

I believe Christians have areas in cities populated in the millions, or at least people that claim they are christian.

[killa]

[akaDAVE]

[dainesefreak]

I believed this to be "The" policy when dealing with possible terror suspects, hence the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting going the way it did. They would have been fairly much on one though as they were expecting to find a chemical weapon or factory.

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[colin1]

i think the official explanation for why the guy got shot, was that someones finger slipped due to the thick gloves.

maybe firearms squads dont normally practice in full chemical suits in the heat

or maybe they were a bit hyped up and convinced that the suspects were terrorists

i think its progress. first they killed the wrong guy (brazilian). now they have shot but not killed the wrong guy, if they continue improving at this rate, they might actually catch some of the right guys. Im not holding my breath though.

although if akadave is right, they are getting worse as they tried to kill him but missed
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[killa]

If these guys have been monitored as the media have said, and it’s true they started getting involved in very anti western practises, we’ll find out eventually.

Perhaps it’s a good thing that a possible suspect caught lead in his shoulder as he came downstairs, it might put the shitters up some of the others thinking about joining in with the anti western stuff.
I’d like to know the cops would go a bit over kill when tackling terrorists, we need to tighten up the game and start rattling a few cages, bring them out in the open so to speak…
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[Slickfish]

These sort of events will never be clear people like us, we will never ever get the full and honest facts surrounding it from either party.
Everyone will want to cover there own back.

Lifes like that, im sorry they guy got shot, but police don't run in shooting people for no reason, but should they have been there?, did they over react, no one knows.

So I judge neither side.

I couldn't give a rats ass what religion somone is(I think its all rubbish), but it annoys me when people in this country try to live as they do in other places, im sorry but these people encourgae racial tension, our government does as well!.