Do you download movies ?

[HerbalDayZ]

You play with your xbox usefull for one thing an still not very good at that.

Ill keep using my keyboard mouse an pc
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[RobB]

[TheBoyChris]

Ok, I guess we can just agree to disagree on this issue then.

HerbalDayZ and Ste, while I see your points and do genuinely understand your viewpoint, I don't agree that this is a victimless crime. Whilst you might only download "games you dont want" (which I still think is contradictory) others do download games they do want, and regularly.

Now, ok, it doesn't exactly *ruin* our business, and I still get paid at the end of the day, but it does significantly hit our business that we have to make contingency plans and attempt anti-piracy, which is often ineffectual and expensive, yet necessary to stop day 0 releases.

It's real nice for your karma to think that no-one is hurt by piracy, but remember that games are the cheapest now than they've ever been, take longer to make than they ever did, and cost more to make than ever before too. They're also a lot more popular which is how this is counter-balanced.

Piracy *is* hurting the industry, but thankfully the industry is strong enough on the whole to survive. However, with the spread of the internet and the ease of access to illegal software now this won't always be the case, and you'll probably see more and more game and software developers going the way of the dodo.

Chris

Edit - Grammar
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[Rob W]

[Rob W]

[veeeffarr]

Yeah but the difference is that I didn't use an illegal method to get the game in the first place, and I'm pretty sure they place wouldn't of given me my money back if it was illegal

[RobB]

[veeeffarr]

Yeah, because millions of pounds have been spent on campaigns advising people that taking back games is wrong.

[Ste]

[RobB]

[Rob W]

[cqueen]

In fact, probably returning a used game costs them more than someone downloading it off the net.

[veeeffarr]

Stolen it? Have I fuck...

The game was obtained by legitimate means, and returned under legitimate means...

Unlike downloading off of the net, which is illegal.

I then spent the money on another game, so couldn't give two shits tbh, not my fault there wasn't any form of longevity in the game whatsoever.

[Rob W]

[veeeffarr]

Still, as far as I know, returning games isn't as widespread a problem as illegal downloading of software.

[TheBoyChris]

I guess the problem here is that, lets face it, people don't generally return games, even though the system supports it.

The thing you've got to remember is that generally speaking pirates dont buy any games at all. So here's the thing...

People who want the game and buy the game = legal and giving games companies justified cash.
People who want the game and download it = illegal and not giving games companies their justified cash.
People who don't want the game and download it. = illegal, but not actually swindling the companies out of money because they wouldn't have bought it anyhow

My biggest problem lies with the middle one, which in my experience most people are. The bottom one is what most people pretend to be - "Oh, I have the money but I wouldn't have bought it anyway..." Generally speaking that's bollocks, people download games to play them because they want to, not because 'its available'.

If that was the case the freeware and open source games scene would be booming, but its not, it's shit.

Chris
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[HerbalDayZ]

Finaly peopel who agree..

Listen my point is 1)Buisnesses will not go bankrupt by the peopel downloading .If the software is good peopel will pay.

2)They should sort out anti piracy i no NOT ONE PERSON who has hacked cracked or got into C:Ss without legit ways
Maybe as i said all companies should use this option to stop piracy as there is just no way round it .

3)You say they spend millions on stopping piracy .Do the above save the money you may lose some customers but im sure the amount saved trying to stop people cracking it would balance the odds.

4)Toby what you do is more wrong then myself tbh you take the game remove any type of cover (most games are in plastic wrap) you then play the game an make it seconds

This game has just lost 50% value just because of you it cannot be sold as brand new as it isnt its been used played the cd will no longer be in the same condition.

Any makes creases in the booklet also means a new booklet must be placed in the pack .

5)People have to buy the games to be able to share .
For example i buy NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED .I then share it but i didnt actualy really want this game but ive got it to share .

Some one else then buys tiger woods 2006 they then share this so i get that from them .

Games have still been paid for just we get more for our money .

I made a post about downloading movies an tried to post a thread to HELP other people.
I wanted nothing in return but the pleasure to feel i have contributed in some way .

For this i was slammed by some .Hey i just made a thread with the infomation on how to use the stuff an where to find it .I also said i do NOT encourage piracy but i do agree with it !!!

please name me one major company thats been affected badly by pricay ..

Atari nope Ea games Nope Microsoft (microsoft applications proggrams etc are the most downloaded things)
Thre are prob just as many peopel with copied windows Xp as people who paid.

But as i said bill gates is the ritchest man on the planet i realy realy think he doesnt get effected.

The man is so fucking rich he could buy japan an have money left .But he is still charing allmost 100 pound per pc to run ..

He no longer needs that much money from us instead of giving to charity,Why not drop prices on his products to make his customers happy .Because fact is he dont care about us he takes our money donates a fraction an keep makng it for himself.

Bill gates has even said his 2 children will get no more then 10% of his money .So why does he need so much ?
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[daz|n00by]

TUT TUT !!!
Downloading is naughty!
You would never catch me doing that kind of thing.
And never catch me advertising it on a public forum aswell.

Oh yes and anybody who uses Torrents as his main supplier of games and movies etc etc has a long way to go.

"If a film is stolen an changed it is removed if its crap it is slammed (basically banned an tells people its crap) ."

The term you are looking for is nuked

"You can also see the ripper i.e maverick or jacktherIPPeR these are ripper coders "

Again the term you are looking for is the group, rippers very rarly work alone and they advertise their group.


"These are the main torrent sites i use an tbh is all you need "

But have you ever thought about who supplys torrents ?

Any way you carry on playing at being a copy master, have fun.
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[veeeffarr]

Last reply, I really can't be arsed anymore.

Compared to prices of other popular software, windows is cheap as fuck.

Not many people I know mind paying £90 for a copy of the O/S, I know a few professional system builders that just factor it in to every build they do.

[HerbalDayZ]

[TheBoyChris]

[HerbalDayZ]

Encouraging would be to say "Go download these files you save all your money you must"

I just suplied the sites an the info .Just liek the sites in no way are most of them brackeing any laws as they jsut tell you "HOW".

Daz i dont only use torrents personaly but some stuff i use would be much harder for the beginner .i.e Mirc strongDCC ++ ftps .

Another main thing i use is newsgroups an i actualy pay for these 8pound per month .I also get some free from my isp (So dont judge that i never pay for anything) Paying for these is the same as using Itunes.

Think we should just let the thread die now ...

Its got abusive an boring .It was a simple post to help people out .As in my op there are probaly thousands of members on here who download stuff .Maybe to scared to speak out knowing its illegal .

Oh an P.s i do own a copy of xp which i got with a laptop altho i dont like it as its old .
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