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Rob Fzs |
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Rob Fzs World Chat Champion
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Posted: 14:26 - 04 Nov 2022 Post subject: Re: Worrying (to me) veterinary prosecution |
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Ste wrote: | stinkwheel wrote: | It is a fair assumption that he knew they were puppy farming. |
He wasn't just a vet who was trying to ensure their welfare, he was part of the puppy farming setup.
No vet who's more interested in the welfare of a dog rather than where the owner got it from is going to jail as a co-conspirator if the customer turns out to be a puppy farmer unless that vets involvement turns out to be on a scale that's clearly part of a conspiracy.
"A west London vet has been found guilty of helping a gang sell thousands of illegally bred puppies by issuing false paperwork for dogs.
Daniel Doherty, who operated out of Uxbridge, provided health checks and vaccination cards to help convince buyers the puppies were legal.
Isleworth Crown Court heard the 49-year-old was paid nearly £80,000 by the gang who took thousands of dogs to him.
Doherty, of Iver Heath, was found guilty of conspiracy to commit fraud.
He and six members of the puppy trading gang - who all previously admitted fraud and animal welfare offences - will be sentenced on a date to be set in May.
The court heard the gang took more than 4,500 puppies to Doherty between 23 March 2011 and 10 May 2017.
He provided false documents to disguise the dogs imported from abroad or farmed, and they were sold by the gang across London and the South East."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43701421
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Like if he's that bloke he's bang to rights
But put it this way, say you know a Gypsy is up to this and then dob them in, your house gets set on fire, what do you do then? ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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stinkwheel |
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Posted: 16:41 - 04 Nov 2022 Post subject: Re: Worrying (to me) veterinary prosecution |
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Ste wrote: |
No vet who's more interested in the welfare of a dog rather than where the owner got it from is going to jail as a co-conspirator if the customer turns out to be a puppy farmer unless that vets involvement turns out to be on a scale that's clearly part of a conspiracy. |
Although this guy is one of the best. Graduated with distinction which is vanishingly rare.
Judges comments:
Quote: | Obviously you are a very good vet in terms of your work...
...I am not sure if what I say has an impact on your professional body, but I hope very much they may take as lenient a view as they can, rather than destroying your purpose in life altogether. For what it’s worth, I hope they will be as lenient as they can.” |
And the RCVS disciplinary committee findings:
Quote: | In reaching its decision, the committee also took into account the circumstances of this case and, in particular, the view of the court that Mr Doherty had been motivated solely by animal welfare concerns and not financial gain, and that it was this overriding concern that had allowed others to exploit his willingness to continue to vaccinate puppies despite their source. |
____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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stinkwheel |
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Posted: 20:58 - 04 Nov 2022 Post subject: |
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We worked out it added up to his practice vaccinating 6 pups a week over 2 different sites.
The worry for me is that if it counts as an offence here, it also counts as an offence if it's Mrs Slob giving her neighbours address as 15 Shit Street instead of 17 Shit Street so she doesn't get done off the council for having three litters of Frenchijackapoos in a year. Public interest tests don't come into it with RSPCA prosecutions. You shag one sheep...
I've come up with a policy/solution anyway. No vaccination certificates will be issued unless an animal is chipped (but the vaccination can still be given) and for litters of puppies being vaccinated, the address section on the certificate is to be struck-through so its being completed can't be misconstrued as verifying the origin of the pups. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Posted: 20:59 - 04 Nov 2022 Post subject: |
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My local vet needs prosecuting just for it's outrageous mark-up! Bisolvon was £9 now £13. They marked it up £4 more since last time I bought it. Guess how much the online price is? £2.75! ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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I'm in a densely-populated area though they aren't going to struggle to sell a box of 40 here.
So today, flea drops. Two dogs one cat so 2x prinovox 4-10kg (£46.58) and one <4kg (£40.90). £134 all-in.
VetUK price £21.40 (x2) and (£14.99) = £56.79
I like to support my local vet (ben my local vet now for 34 years) but I struggle to believe I'm not having my arse tanned here. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Freddyfruitbat wrote: |
Out of interest, what's your view on customers who come in wanting prescriptions, rather than buying the actual drugs, in order to be able to buy them cheaper elsewhere?
Both my (uninsured) dogs are now on long-term medication, so I spend a fair bit on drugs... like Pete I do want to support my local (independent) vet, and also I'd prefer not to spoil my relationship with them by royally pissing them off if I decide to buy my gear elsewhere... |
I'm fine with it. It's sometimes a bit of a scutter to do the actual prescription depending on what system you have but as long as you've called ahead for it, no worries. It's when people walk in the door and want one NOW it gets a bit annoying because you're usually supposed to be doing something else at the time. If people want the drugs themselves for long term meds, a nurse can put them up based on the instructions in the records whereas the vet always has to do the prescription.
There are some long term medicines I even suggest people buy online because the prices we pay and then have to charge are so ludicrous. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 207 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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